Changing Fandoms and Freeforms

[pumpkinkingmod]

Do any participants with fandoms whose AO3 canonical titles don't start with Latin characters want their fandoms changed so that they start with either the transliteration or the English title so that they appear in the proper place on the AO3 requests page?

Fic/Art and Tricks/Treats are now all in the relationship section.  They have been combined so that you could theoretically do something like request Trick - Fic and Treat - Art without having to worry about getting the other two.

You may notice that there are now five freeform tags:
-I am interested in extra gifts for the community challenge that don't fit my requests.
-I am not interested in extra gifts for the community challenge that don't fit my requests.
-I am not interested in receiving extra gifts.
-You may ignore my Art/Fic preferences for extra gifts.
-You may ignore my Trick/Treat preferences for extra gifts.

These tags are not going to be used for matching and are an easy way to opt in and out of certain parts of Trick or Treat so that those interested in giving extra gifts know if you are interested in getting them.

"I am interested in extra gifts for the community challenge that don't fit my requests."
This means you are interested in getting extra gifts that fit the community challenge that don't perfectly fit your requests.  It does not give someone permission to ignore your Do Not Wants.

"I am not interested in extra gifts for the community challenge that don't fit my requests."
This means you are only interested in extra gifts that fit what you have in your requests.

"I am not interested in receiving extra gifts."
-This means that you aren't interested in receiving any extra gifts.  You will not be counted towards any goals of getting x number of gifts per participant.  You may still end up getting multiple gifts if multiple participants are assigned to you.

"You may ignore my Art/Fic preferences for extra gifts."
If you requested only one, you are interested in the other for extra gifts as well.  These extra gifts can not be counted as your main gift if your giver defaults.

"You may ignore my Trick/Treat preferences for extra gifts."
If you requested only one, you are interested in the other for extra gifts as well.  These extra gifts can not be counted as your main gift if your giver defaults.

Comments

[morbane]

I like the idea of the new freeform tags!

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for the feedback!

[(Anonymous)]

This is very nice!

Roughly how "doesn't fit my requests" should I imagine gifts that "don't fit my requests"? Ignores optional details (sans DNWs obvs) level, or ignores requested characters/fandoms level?

[pumpkinkingmod]

It was more ignore optional details level. But using any of those tags would be entirely optional.

Thank you for your feedback.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I find it far easier to find them under their original name all bunched together than under whatever Latin character someone else decided to sort them under. I don't even know the English name for many, or know a different English name or whatever. Let Unicode sort them.

[starriewolf]

May I second this please! There are frequently multiple possible transliterations for a fandom name and it would be very awkward to find the fandoms I'm looking for.

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for your feedback.

To clarify, it is not an across the board change I would be making to every fandom. It would only be done to specific fandoms at the request of participants in those fandoms.

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for your feedback.

To clarify, it is not an across the board change I would be making to every fandom. It would only be done to specific fandoms at the request of participants in those fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd vote for leaving the fandoms with non-Latin characters where they are. A lot of people know them by their untranslated names, or know them by different English translations, and having them in a different place just for one exchange could be really confusing. I'd also argue that they already are in the 'proper' place on the AO3 requests page, at least more so than things starting 'The' being sorted under T.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for your feedback.

To clarify, it is not an across the board change I would be making to every fandom. It would only be done to specific fandoms at the request of participants in those fandoms.

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for your feedback.

To clarify, it is not an across the board change I would be making to every fandom. It would only be done to specific fandoms at the request of participants in those fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

"I am interested in extra gifts for the community challenge that don't fit my requests."
This means you are interested in getting extra gifts that fit the community challenge that don't perfectly fit your requests. It does not give someone permission to ignore your Do Not Wants.

I don't like this wording in the slightest, and I don't think the do/don't versions of this question should be options unless this is free-for-all permission not to fulfill *any* of the minimum requirements of a person's requests, including DNWs. Otherwise, how does this differ from any other gift or treat I might give/receive? Is the expectation of someone who doesn't check this box that they receive gifts which *exactly* fit their requests, including optional details?

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I'd much rather have "I am opting out of extra gifts" / "I am opting in to extra gifts." They are much clearer and use fewer negatives (the double-negatives get confusing and are easy to misread).

Those combined with the "You may ignore my Art/Fic preferences for extra gifts." / "You may ignore my Trick/Treat preferences for extra gifts." tags should be enough for people to understand when it's ok to deviate from the requests.

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for the feedback.

Is there a better way you can suggest for wording the tag?

It is an entirely optional tag that participants don't have to use if they don't want to. It's only purpose is to express interest from the recipient to potential treaters.

In past years I've noticed that some participants are happy to receive broader than what their optional details specifically state. The intention of the tag was to have an easy way for people to show to treaters that they are interested in something that doesn't perfectly fit what is in their details.

[(Anonymous)]

I really don’t have any other suggestions. I feel like this granularity isn’t necessary since participants are already given the opportunity to opt in/out of extras and extras of unrequested work types. Optional details are already optional, so unless you’re wanting to codify that across the board and require everyone to click it as acknowledgment of that fact, it seems redundant.

[shadowsapiens]

Agreed. The way it reads to me, it’s making ODAO opt in/opt out? I’m not thrilled about that logistically.

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for the feedback.

Is there a better way you can suggest for wording the tag?

It is an entirely optional tag that participants don't have to use if they don't want to. It's only purpose is to express interest from the recipient to potential treaters.

In past years I've noticed that some participants are happy to receive broader than what their optional details specifically state. The intention of the tag was to have an easy way for people to show to treaters that they are interested in something that doesn't perfectly fit what is in their details.

[shadowsapiens]

Yeah, I've seen that feedback before, and I think it's really nice of you to address it and try to accommodate people!

I don't think there's a way to word it that I'd like. I'm on board for an opt-out tag for treats in general, because that's very simple and clear, but I'm opposed to the idea of making optional details non-optional. I think there's a lot of room for mismatched expectations there, depending on how different people will interpret "perfectly fit."

But I'd missed that these tags themselves are optional, so if you go through with them, I can just not use any of them, which works well enough for me.

For clarity's sake, I might rephrase to say either "optional details" or "character", depending on which you mean, since "request" could mean any of that.

I'm also not sure whether the distinction of "for the community challenge" is necessary or helpful - would picking "I am not interested (etc)" still leave someone open to a non-request-matching treat *not* for the community challenge? (aka, just because the treater likes the fandom, or wants to do something nice for the recip, etc.)

[(Anonymous)]

ODAO is fine on an assignment. Going ODAO on a treat (without having been given the ok from the recipient) is super shitty.

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for the feedback.

Is there a better way you can suggest for wording the tag?

It is an entirely optional tag that participants don't have to use if they don't want to. It's only purpose is to express interest from the recipient to potential treaters.

In past years I've noticed that some participants are happy to receive broader than what their optional details specifically state. The intention of the tag was to have an easy way for people to show to treaters that they are interested in something that doesn't perfectly fit what is in their details.

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for the feedback.

Is there a better way you can suggest for wording the tag?

It is an entirely optional tag that participants don't have to use if they don't want to. It's only purpose is to express interest from the recipient to potential treaters.

In past years I've noticed that some participants are happy to receive broader than what their optional details specifically state. The intention of the tag was to have an easy way for people to show to treaters that they are interested in something that doesn't perfectly fit what is in their details.

[(Anonymous)]

Do any participants with fandoms whose AO3 canonical titles don't start with Latin characters want their fandoms changed so that they start with either the transliteration or the English title so that they appear in the proper place on the AO3 requests page?
Yes. I find it very confusing to try and find those fandoms in Unicode sorting, and a lot of my east Asian fandoms don't have the original title in the canonical on AO3 anyway, even some of the more recent ones. It's inconsistent, along with the fact that fandom pages don't sort in Unicode order, and that makes it even more confusing to find them in a tags list or requests page (and in a big exchange, it's annoying to search through several pages of fandoms with non-latin names for the ones I know).

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for your feedback.

To clarify, it is not an across the board change I would be making to every fandom. It would only be done to specific fandoms at the request of participants in those fandoms.

What would be some specific fandoms that you are in that you'd want to see changed?

[marsdragon]

I'm cool with specifically the Castlevania games being sorted under C. They all only have one English title and the Castlevania name started migrating back into Japanese in the 00s anyway, plus how AO3 handles the entire mess is inconsistent in the first place. (Harmony of Dissonance gets to be sorted right...but Lament of Innocence gets an 悪魔城ドラキュラ it didn't even have in Japanese added on because ???)

Shin Megami Tensei's another one where the non-English characters could get dropped, but it's not nearly as inconsistent about it as Castlevania.

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for your feedback.

To clarify, it is not an across the board change I would be making to every fandom. It would only be done to specific fandoms at the request of participants in those fandoms.

[silex]

"I am interested in extra gifts for the community challenge that don't fit my requests."

I like this as an opt-in. Maybe I'm weird, but this seems to work really well for when people aren't sure if something's going to exactly meet what I or the person I'm writing for wants and that's like such a nice weight off of me - like I can write a treat and then write them an extra treat that's not as close to what they asked for or uses a character that they didn't mention or didn't DNW.

[pumpkinkingmod]

Thank you for the feedback.

[tally]

Just wanted to pop in and say as an artist I am thrilled that people will have the option to easily indicate they're okay with art as extra gifts. That's a really great idea!